Comments on: Forbidden Bible topic

By: stan

stan — Thu, 24 Nov 2011 05:51:08 +0000

hmmmmmmm. One Bible so many variant doctrines. Just goes to show what happens when man handles it with out the respect due to it, being the Word of God. Which is what you did to come up with an idea such as yours. You can make the Bible say any thing if you start with an idea, then build verses around it. Of course as you do this you have to tell people what the verse is really saying.

By: Chi

Chi — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 02:58:42 +0000

What about the scripture that names all the types of people that will end up in hell?

Revelation 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death”

Plain as day.

As for the people who believed this without studying and PRAYING (most importantly)…

Ephesians 4:14 “That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;”

(not saying that this person was trying to intentionally deceive…)

By: moses

moses — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:40:14 +0000

IF we isolate scriptures, we can make any doctrine we want. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Although Jesus Crrist died for the whole world, salvation is only for those who receive Christ.ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Your teachings may bring comfort to some,but it is certainly not the complete teaching of the bible.REVELATION 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

By: Yup

Yup — Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:43:25 +0000

This is why so many are turned off of Christ. His believers cannot agree with His Truth.

By: Patricia

Patricia — Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:26:44 +0000

George MacDonald also subscribed to universal salvation. His Unspoken Sermons are amazing. C.S. Lewis referred to him as his theological master in his An Anthology preface, and made him the teaching character in Great Divorce.

Also, for a very thorough, scholarly defense of universal salvation, I’d point you to Dr. Richard Beck, at Experimental Theology Blog. http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2009/12/universalism-summary-defense.html

In short, he makes the point that Jesus took the power of hell and death away, and so if we’re still “on the clock” to believe “in time”, then death is still running the show, and hasn’t been defeated.

By: tom

tom — Sat, 07 May 2011 22:55:21 +0000

I suggest all to go and read the writings of dr. ernest l martin at askelm.com

cheers

By: Bob

Bob — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:56:35 +0000

I agree with you that hell is probably not some fire filled place where people burn for eternity. But it is hard to ignore things like the separation that happens a the Great White Throne Judgement based on decisions made in this life and Jesus’ own words that those who have not believed are condemned already (John 3:18). One cannot read and understand scripture without seeing that those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Lord in this life will not spend eternity with Him.

I find it interesting that you used an example of someone being in hell in your explanation of why no one will go there. And yes, I do take Christ’s words literally.

What did Peter mean when he said that it was not God’s will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance? What is meant by perish?

Many, many other questions come to mind as you already know but I will stop there.

By: Bob

Bob — Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:40:10 +0000

Steve, First, Much of what you write indeed appeals to those of us whose “church community” seems to be satisfied, or perhaps unwilling to pursue additional insight into many topics such as escatology, worship, hell, salvation, the kingdom, trinity, etc. I truly believe it takes much effort, and one’s willingness to look at our “paradigms”. And with effort, this requires sacrifice, and much time. In our willingness to look at our “paradigms” this is even more difficult for us to confront once we devote the time and learn a little something new. But what I’ve found personally, in being honest with myself,is… For the most part what I felt I knew, was what was told me, not what I personally discovered in the above topics I alluded to over these last two years.

Also, in truly being honest with myself, taking the course of “least resistance” as most do, as did I, is so very detrimental to the renewing of our minds in regard to our Lord’s teachings, and Yahweh’s wisdom!

Let’s not “throw out the baby with the bath water”, for there is one God, salvation and the “atonement for ’sins” is squarely centered at the “Cross”, and “eternal life” life immortal provided and exists only thru our Lord Jesus Christ, and the kingdom exists within our hearts, for the spirit is the new temple, where God now dwells with us… but let’s replenish the “bath water” occasionally, and discover some new insights, which do not jeprodize our salvation, but will allow us to “overcome the world”, as Jesus said and allow us to live as “priests”, and “heirs of the kingdom”, spiritual Israel, for the “gates of hell will never prevail against it”.

Now, as for “hell”, and this discussion, I agree with you and Trevor…hell does not mean “eternal conscious torment”. It’s unfortunate the four words…hades, shoel, gahenna, tatarus, were all translated into our english word “hell”, and the english definition we subscribe it, as again, “told to us”!

Soloman, and Job both referred to when one physically dies, as they understood the physical body returns to where it came, the dust of the earth, and the spirit returns to God, who gave it, and they knew nothing about the spirit being “immortal”, for they were on the other side of the “cross”, and Christ, and he only provides “immortality”.

With that said, in discussing either “eternal conscious torment”, or “universal salvation” and believing in either, the spirit which returns to God, has to be “immortal” to either be eternally punished, or provided the opportunity to put on Christ after this physically life!

So, the question is…when God breathed in the Spirit of man…was it immortal?

So, as I see it, and I am indeed no scholar, the spirit has to be immortal to eventually put on “Christ”, but certainly does not need to be immortal to just simply fail to exist any longer…and simply just return to God who gave it.

Months and months ago, I was afraid to even open up and read information on this subject, for fear of learning something contrary to what I “was told”…that being “eternal conscious torment”. And now “Universal Salvation”…well, I hope so, but at present not conformatable enough in teaching this…So, let me continue to study!

In closing, to you Steve, and Trevor, I would welcome discussing at further length this issue, and listening openly to what you each can share.

Lastly, I know two things for certain….there is a God, and I am not Him!

thanks to all. -Bob-

By: admin

admin — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:40:57 +0000

Interesting. Jesus himself, the founder of our faith, was asked by a rich young ruler what he must do to inherit eternal life. And Jesus answer didnt look like yours. Jesus advised him to obey the commandments and sell all he had.
Hey, I dont expect you to take this reply seriously. If you start to look at those and other verses honestly, it will open a huge can or worms in your life. So I am happy for you to believe what you do. The challenge for you is to accept that others might think differently. There are many mansions in our Fathers house.

By: admin

admin — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:34:17 +0000

If God punishes us equally in return, then I guess you are suggesting an eternal hell is a bit of an extreme response. Maybe a human lifetime of hell, is that what you are suggesting?